DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by CalcFreak » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:22 am

grsbanks wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:10 am
CalcFreak wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:03 am
I'm in for 2 units. 8-)
Whoa there! This is only a "what if?" kind of conversation. There are currently no plans that I know of for Swiss Micros to produce a DM48 or equivalent.
I know. IF they make it, I'm in for two. ;)

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by DavidM » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:45 pm

Walter wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:25 am
You didn't read the emoticon, did you? :? I share your opinion that a DM48 isn't worth the cost.
I saw it, hence my also including one further down in my response. I view this particular topic as having as much connection with reality as the "what would you do if you won the lottery?" question that was recently asked quite a bit in my area. While the conversation may occasionally include nuggets of serious thought, it is mostly limited to idle fantasy.

For what it's worth, you're interpretation of my opinion is slightly off -- without knowing a cost, how could I possibly have an opinion of its value? It is my opinion that the current key configuration of the DM42 would require significant compromises to a DM48 implementation, and as such would likely require a different physical implementation to make it into a platform that I would be pleased to use. Thus, higher price to offset startup costs. Is it worth it? I have no opinion without knowing what the actual price would be. If it was worth it for the DM42, only Michael and David could determine if repeating parts of that process for some fantasy DM48 would be justified.

Perhaps if I had actually won the lottery, I would contact SM directly to inquire about how much funding they would need to build my preferred calculator. Then again, I'd actually need to play, which my more pragmatic inclination precludes me from doing. 8-)

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by Walter » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:01 pm

DavidM wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:45 pm
For what it's worth, you're interpretation of my opinion is slightly off -- without knowing a cost, how could I possibly have an opinion of its value? It is my opinion that the current key configuration of the DM42 would require significant compromises to a DM48 implementation, and as such would likely require a different physical implementation to make it into a platform that I would be pleased to use. Thus, higher price to offset startup costs. Is it worth it? I have no opinion without knowing what the actual price would be. If it was worth it for the DM42, only Michael and David could determine if repeating parts of that process for some fantasy DM48 would be justified.
I guess your interpretation of my opinion is slightly off as well. Regardless of the actual cost, I think a DM48 isn't worth the effort: in the size of the DM42 it would be crippled by the missing row of keys, and with one row of keys more it would exceed pocket size. And eventually it would be RPL, so it won't appeal to me anyway. I stick to RPN, 8-level stack. 8-)
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by DavidM » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:09 pm

Walter wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:01 pm
I guess your interpretation of my opinion is slightly off as well. Regardless of the actual cost, I think a DM48 isn't worth the effort...
Have no fear, Walter, your opinions about larger-than-Pioneer calculators and RPL have been clearly visible to me (and probably most others) for quite some time. That you don't believe it's worth the effort is a foregone conclusion that even a casual participant should be able to reach. :)

Every user brings their own needs, experience, and "comfort zones" to bear in these type of discussions. For me personally, I prefer the RPL approach over the register-based keystroke programming of the earlier models (and yes, I owned and used a 41 for many years before switching). But that's just an opinion, no better or worse than yours, just different. In the same fashion, I've never carried a calculator in any pocket, nor do I expect I ever would (I simply don't have that need). I'm actually far more concerned about usability when I have it in my hand(s). At this stage of my life, smaller isn't necessarily better if I can't read the labels. We all have different needs -- finding the "sweet spot" of form and function for a diverse audience isn't easy, but it's impossible if that audience doesn't share its impressions.

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by Walter » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:56 pm

DavidM wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:09 pm
At this stage of my life, smaller isn't necessarily better if I can't read the labels. We all have different needs -- finding the "sweet spot" of form and function for a diverse audience isn't easy, but it's impossible if that audience doesn't share its impressions.
As we do. 8-) And BTW, opticians make really good glasses on this side of the great pond.
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by cdmackay » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 pm

Walter wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:56 pm
DavidM wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:09 pm
At this stage of my life, smaller isn't necessarily better if I can't read the labels. We all have different needs -- finding the "sweet spot" of form and function for a diverse audience isn't easy, but it's impossible if that audience doesn't share its impressions.
As we do. 8-) And BTW, opticians make really good glasses on this side of the great pond.
I dunno; as a short-sighted glasses wearer, I don't really want reading glasses to use a calculator, and have to keep swapping glasses, nor do I like the ideal of varifocals (although to be fair I've not tried them). It's driving me nuts the last year or so of having to move my glasses up onto my head when I operate the calculator and back down when I want to read the forum here, back and forth.

Back on topic, I had assumed one of the reasons for the popularity of the DM42 was the difficulty of getting a real 42S at a reasonable price (not that the DM42 is cheap), and its performance, ease of data transfer, upgrade, etc.

Perhaps, if you're willing to consider a 50g as similar to a 48, it's a lot easier to get hold of a real one; indeed I've just bought two new 50g from Oxford Educational. SD card for transfer & update, faster, etc, etc. And an active newRPL.

I bought a DM42, but I'd not see a need to buy a DM48 given I've got a 50g.

edit: I do see that some might prefer the form-factor of the 48, over the 50g. I might, too :)

I like my DM42, although the keys that don't work every time is annoying, in a brand-new device, but never mind.
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by Thomas Okken » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:53 am

cdmackay wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 pm
I dunno; as a short-sighted glasses wearer, I don't really want reading glasses to use a calculator, and have to keep swapping glasses, nor do I like the ideal of varifocals (although to be fair I've not tried them). It's driving me nuts the last year or so of having to move my glasses up onto my head when I operate the calculator and back down when I want to read the forum here, back and forth.
Try them!

I got varifocals (or "progressive lenses" as they call them around here) about a year ago, and I like them. They do take some getting used to, but they're better than having to take your glasses off and put them back on all the time.

I also got a pair of "computer glasses" at the same time; those are glasses that have the same focal length across the entire field of vision, but made to give perfect focus at the typical distance between your eyes and your computer monitor, while sitting at a typical office desk.

I wear the computer glasses at work, and the progressives everywhere else. I would prefer not needing glasses, of course, but I'm a lot happier with this arrangement than I was with my old glasses.

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by cdmackay » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:46 pm

Thomas Okken wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:53 am
thanks Thomas, yup, I should get my glasses upgraded, thanks for the hint :)
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