Please let me know if there is any sort of problem with the attached templates ...
And, of course, the scale and exact positioning of the 'dots' will have to be fine tuned later as the build proceeds.
Bright RED: True Colour stored as RGB: 203,18,1
Be aware though that there is considerable variation in how colours actually display on monitors ... with this inherent variability colours will appear or 'read' differently ... even though the RGB 'recipe' is the same. Because of this it is disappointingly common to not get what you expected. Your best bet is to use real world colour decks or Pantone books for positive confirmation.
(I learned this the hard way)
WP43 Alternative key layout --> C43
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
D A MacDonald
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
Thanks!inautilus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:45 amPlease let me know if there is any sort of problem with the attached templates ...
And, of course, the scale and exact positioning of the 'dots' will have to be fine tuned later as the build proceeds.
Bright RED: True Colour stored as RGB: 203,18,1
Be aware though that there is considerable variation in how colours actually display on monitors ... with this inherent variability colours will appear or 'read' differently ... even though the RGB 'recipe' is the same. Because of this it is disappointingly common to not get what you expected. Your best bet is to use real world colour decks or Pantone books for positive confirmation.
(I learned this the hard way)
The original file is 526x980 pixels.
The revised file somehow changed its size to 818x1600, which means when compiled, the calculator border is now a lot larger and the shift button is off screen.
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
Yes, that certainly won't work. This whole endeavour is about precision, excellence, etc etc.
I have been able to drag the image back into spec ... but I'm not satisfied. Something got lost in translation (a loss in resolution/crispness) and I haven't been able to get to the bottom of it yet. The problem may be that I'm using engineering tools (AutoCAD) for a graphic design problem. Will work on it some more and get back to you this evening. There's a moral to the story here ... Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
Meanwhile (groan ...) this is what I have.
I have been able to drag the image back into spec ... but I'm not satisfied. Something got lost in translation (a loss in resolution/crispness) and I haven't been able to get to the bottom of it yet. The problem may be that I'm using engineering tools (AutoCAD) for a graphic design problem. Will work on it some more and get back to you this evening. There's a moral to the story here ... Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
Meanwhile (groan ...) this is what I have.
D A MacDonald
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
So do I.
You see almost no remark.
I haven't plunged into the depths of the menus yet. I grew up with the 41C without menus. So it's clear to me that any function can be called via XEQ ALPHA or CATALOG. But. In contrast to the 42S, the 43S/C, as I am used to from the 41C, can be assigned a different functionality to practically any key. I think there will be people who take advantage of this. Then it can happen that even [x<>y] is assigned differently. I don't argue that you have to find every function in a menu. But if it doesn't bother too much, I think, you can allow such redundancy.
The menus themselves will probably then be commented on by me when I perform alpha tests with the simulator and/or the flashed DM42.
I am really really happy with the intermediate result.
C47(DM42) SN:00032 WP43 SN:00016
https://47calc.com
https://47calc.com
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
As always, I don't want to step on anyone's toes. As a temporary interim solution; Swiss Army Knife.
- Attachments
-
- IMG_0326_enhanced.PNG (11.02 KiB) Viewed 4017 times
C47(DM42) SN:00032 WP43 SN:00016
https://47calc.com
https://47calc.com
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
Thank you Dani! No worries, I've got plenty of toes ... Ha, Ha
The main thing is to keep the ball moving down the field !
Jaymos, you've got the ball ... can't let anyone get in your way ... you're on a roll.
The main thing is to keep the ball moving down the field !
Jaymos, you've got the ball ... can't let anyone get in your way ... you're on a roll.
D A MacDonald
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
Possible way to go with Menu Keys ... that is visually direct, easy to identify, clean, and more importantly ... uncluttered. In fact, this 'context' method could also be employed to group keys within the same family of operations/functions.
Last edited by inautilus on Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:41 pm, edited 2 times in total.
D A MacDonald
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
My main gripe with my 28C is that it is ONLY menu driven. That is a problem for me. Hence my need to have a compromise unit that works the way the 32SII, 42S and in fact a bit of the 28C. A bit of everything is the magic. And the con side: cluttered compared to 28C and 42S. Semi-functional in a direct operation way compared to 32SII. A lot better organised than WP34S or C. So, a good compromise.inautilus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:57 pmPossible way to go with Menu Keys ... that is visually direct, easy to identify, clean, and more importantly ... uncluttered. In fact, this 'context' method could also be employed to group keys within the same family of operations/functions.
HP 28S Calculator - Menu Keys.jpgHP 28S - Menu Key Teatment.jpg
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
Perhaps I didn't 'sell' the idea enough ... my bad. So, I'll take another run at the ball ...
The 43 already is in that sweet spot, functionally speaking. Or as said: "a bit of everything is the magic." What I had intended to communicate was that since some of the 43's keys do function to represent menus .... then it might be worth a closer look to see exactly how they are identified/labelled. One could argue that the underlining method may not be optimal visually speaking ... the keyboard might now be tending to be exceedingly cluttered. If this is the case ... then there is another way to cleanly identify/label. Drop any type of underlining and go with a lighter shade 'context box" for the key label to live within. (See the 'MODE', 'LOGS' command labeling in the first photo, and see the 'CUSTOM' command key in the second photo) I contend that this method of denotation is visually direct, easy to identify, clean, and more importantly ... uncluttered.
The 43 already is in that sweet spot, functionally speaking. Or as said: "a bit of everything is the magic." What I had intended to communicate was that since some of the 43's keys do function to represent menus .... then it might be worth a closer look to see exactly how they are identified/labelled. One could argue that the underlining method may not be optimal visually speaking ... the keyboard might now be tending to be exceedingly cluttered. If this is the case ... then there is another way to cleanly identify/label. Drop any type of underlining and go with a lighter shade 'context box" for the key label to live within. (See the 'MODE', 'LOGS' command labeling in the first photo, and see the 'CUSTOM' command key in the second photo) I contend that this method of denotation is visually direct, easy to identify, clean, and more importantly ... uncluttered.
D A MacDonald
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Mar Eng, Designer, CANADA
HP35, HP41C, HP28S, HP35s. PC: HP15C, Free42, WP31S, WP34S
(Operators Right in bold)
"It is not the strongest or most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change ..." Darwin
Re: 43S Alternative key layout
The colour change to red is working. Will send image in a few hours.inautilus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:45 amPlease let me know if there is any sort of problem with the attached templates ...
And, of course, the scale and exact positioning of the 'dots' will have to be fine tuned later as the build proceeds.
Bright RED: True Colour stored as RGB: 203,18,1
Be aware though that there is considerable variation in how colours actually display on monitors ... with this inherent variability colours will appear or 'read' differently ... even though the RGB 'recipe' is the same. Because of this it is disappointingly common to not get what you expected. Your best bet is to use real world colour decks or Pantone books for positive confirmation.
(I learned this the hard way)
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.