Hey Walter don't take this discussion too seriously ! Did you see the smiley ? There are way more important things in life than keys order on a calculator keyboard

Hey Walter don't take this discussion too seriously ! Did you see the smiley ? There are way more important things in life than keys order on a calculator keyboard
I actually "started" on the HP35 (no "S"!), but indeed most of my serious university use was with a 15C. So I'll give you full credit.rprosperi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:52 pm
There can be no doubt you started your HP calculator use with a Voyager or Pioneer.
Not judging, just observing.
And though I prefer the earlier layout (since it was perfect after all) it's good IMHO that Jaco laid early groundwork for 43S users that prefer this clealry incorrect layout, for folks that were late to the game.
Well... I guess that does sound a bit like I'm judging after all.![]()
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It's not a casual mistake, and I'm sure Walter has a reason, so let's just ask:burkhard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:22 pmBut it's not a question (for me) of "early" or "late" HP layout. I am actually OK with EITHER the "early" or the "late" layout.
What I would really prefer to avoid is a hybrid that is neither... i.e. putting the operators on the left like the "early" ones, but arranging them in the "late" ones' order as is the present WP43S official development path. That I think is a mistake.
In the end though, I have no cause to complain and I'll buy the darned thing no matter what.![]()
I'm just going to cringe a bit that neither of the existing two conventions was followed.
Let's start here, but there are previous threads on the old forum.rprosperi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:44 amIt's not a casual mistake, and I'm sure Walter has a reason, so let's just ask:burkhard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:22 pmBut it's not a question (for me) of "early" or "late" HP layout. I am actually OK with EITHER the "early" or the "late" layout.
What I would really prefer to avoid is a hybrid that is neither... i.e. putting the operators on the left like the "early" ones, but arranging them in the "late" ones' order as is the present WP43S official development path. That I think is a mistake.
In the end though, I have no cause to complain and I'll buy the darned thing no matter what.![]()
I'm just going to cringe a bit that neither of the existing two conventions was followed.
@Walter - why is the operator layout for the 43S using the location of the original HP models (left side), while using the sequence of the later models (Div/*/-/+ top to bottom), thus introducing a 3rd standard? Though I'm open to hear your reasoning, I'm inclined to agree with the other folks here and on MoHPC, that staying with one of the proven standards make the most sense. I feel this has been discussed, but could not find it. Of course I know the community voted for the left side, so why not retain the complete standard?
What the world needs least is a 3rd standard here.
Some additional remarks:Walter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:27 pmAs Bob ((Prosperi)) wrote already, this is a religuous topicNevertheless I'll try to summarice the facts:
All of HP's pocket calculators up to and including the famous HP-41C had the arithmetic operators on the left below ENTER. The Voyagers had to put them on the right for obvious reasons ((placing them in the middle of the keyboard would look really odd)). With the Pioneers, they staid on the right - but ENTER remained on the left. So much about HP's logical ((keyboard layout)) development.
There was a very extensive discussion of this topic on the forum of MoHPC in 2012 IIRC, followed by a poll. After all, many people agreed on ENTER and the 4 operators should be in the same column (for various reasons). And the poll resulted in our decision (we, the developers) to place the 4 operators on the left, backed by a majority of votes IIRC. ((And to intercept legends arising: at said poll, the order of arithmetic operators was as it is today - constant for 7 years. You can verify this easily.))
So, now they are there.
Ok, no page 2, but they however, land on one page and show the same info.Walter wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:23 pmP.S.: Massimo's link should point here: https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-118.html
Yes I don't forget who are the developers and I fully appreciate all the work being done. And I know that at the end the decision is in the hands of the developers.
They also abandoned the left side in 1981 and moved the operators to the right side
So what would they say if we'd drop operators location of today (right) for a location of 1972 (left) for no other reason than nostalgia?
Don't you think that kids at school worldwide are learning to use calculators with the operators on the right side ? (Grandpa, you're kidding! Why on earth should they've put the operators that weird way on the left?!).Walter wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:23 pm
- We will stick to the standard order of arithmetic operators as everyone learned, learns, and will learn at school worldwide for good reasons. Promised. But none of us will interfere when you tell your grandkids that there once was another order on some old calculators long ago (Grandpa, you're kidding! Why on earth should they've done it that weird way?!).
In that case, don't we need to discuss the layout of the numeric keys as well? Surely they must be laid out like on a mobile phone, like this?