43S News

General discussion about calculators, Swiss Micros or otherwise
burkhard
Posts: 19
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:15 pm

Re: 43S News

Post by burkhard » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:22 pm

Jaco,

I have to say... Your modified/unofficial layout is *exactly* what I would prefer myself:
1) Math operators on the right --- just like the 34S and other "late" RPN calcs
2) top-to-bottom order of math operators matches 34S and other late RPN.
3) XEQ / ↑ / ↓ / EXIT on left with same order as on 34S and other late RPN.

Bravo!

rprosperi
Posts: 502
Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:48 pm
Location: New York

Re: 43S News

Post by rprosperi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:52 pm

burkhard wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:22 pm
Jaco,

I have to say... Your modified/unofficial layout is *exactly* what I would prefer myself:
1) Math operators on the right --- just like the 34S and other "late" RPN calcs
2) top-to-bottom order of math operators matches 34S and other late RPN.
3) XEQ / ↑ / ↓ / EXIT on left with same order as on 34S and other late RPN.

Bravo!
There can be no doubt you started your HP calculator use with a Voyager or Pioneer.

Not judging, just observing.

And though I prefer the earlier layout (since it was perfect after all) it's good IMHO that Jaco laid early groundwork for 43S users that prefer this clealry incorrect layout, for folks that were late to the game.

Well... I guess that does sound a bit like I'm judging after all. :shock: :D
--bob p

DM42: β00071 & 00282

User avatar
Walter
Posts: 1100
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 9:13 am
Location: Close to FRA, Germany

Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:17 pm

Hmmh, Massimo, where are you? 8-)

(I'm not going to develop two layouts. Definitely.)
DM42 SN: 00041 --- Follower of Platon.

HP-35, HP-45, ..., HP-50, WP 34S, WP 31S, DM16L

User avatar
akaTB
Posts: 307
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 11:56 am

Re: 43S News

Post by akaTB » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:43 pm

rprosperi wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:52 pm
There can be no doubt you started your HP calculator use with a Voyager or Pioneer.

Not judging, just observing.

And though I prefer the earlier layout (since it was perfect after all) it's good IMHO that Jaco laid early groundwork for 43S users that prefer this clealry incorrect layout, for folks that were late to the game.

Well... I guess that does sound a bit like I'm judging after all. :shock: :D
Now, that's music to my ears! :D
That good ole keyboard as God intended it. :lol:


mmmm... time to pimp up my signature.
Greetings,
    Massimo

-+×÷ left is right and right is wrong :twisted: Casted in gold

User avatar
akaTB
Posts: 307
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 11:56 am

Re: 43S News

Post by akaTB » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:45 pm

Walter wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:17 pm
Hmmh, Massimo, where are you? 8-)
Here I am!
Sorry, have to work, at times. ;)
Greetings,
    Massimo

-+×÷ left is right and right is wrong :twisted: Casted in gold

Thomas Okken
Posts: 619
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 3:48 pm
Contact:

Re: 43S News

Post by Thomas Okken » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:51 pm

rprosperi wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:52 pm
burkhard wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:22 pm
I have to say... Your modified/unofficial layout is *exactly* what I would prefer myself:
1) Math operators on the right --- just like the 34S and other "late" RPN calcs
2) top-to-bottom order of math operators matches 34S and other late RPN.
There can be no doubt you started your HP calculator use with a Voyager or Pioneer.
Image

:mrgreen:

User avatar
akaTB
Posts: 307
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 11:56 am

Re: 43S News

Post by akaTB » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:03 pm

Walter, I would love such an arrangement:
Image

:twisted:
Greetings,
    Massimo

-+×÷ left is right and right is wrong :twisted: Casted in gold

dlachieze
Posts: 174
Joined: Thu May 04, 2017 10:20 am
Location: France

Re: 43S News

Post by dlachieze » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:27 pm

burkhard wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:22 pm
Jaco,

I have to say... Your modified/unofficial layout is *exactly* what I would prefer myself:
1) Math operators on the right --- just like the 34S and other "late" RPN calcs
2) top-to-bottom order of math operators matches 34S and other late RPN.
3) XEQ / ↑ / ↓ / EXIT on left with same order as on 34S and other late RPN.

Bravo!
I have to say… I’m starting to feel the same, this modified/unofficial layout is looking more familiar to me than the official one.
Walter wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:17 pm
(I'm not going to develop two layouts. Definitely.)
You don’t need to… it’s already done ;)
DM42 SN: 00425

User avatar
Jaymos
Posts: 355
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:03 pm
Location: Cape Town

Re: 43S News

Post by Jaymos » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:42 pm

burkhard wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:22 pm
I have to say... Your modified/unofficial layout is *exactly* what I would prefer myself:
1) Math operators on the right --- just like the 34S and other "late" RPN calcs
2) top-to-bottom order of math operators matches 34S and other late RPN.
3) XEQ / ↑ / ↓ / EXIT on left with same order as on 34S and other late RPN.
Thank you.

One side effect of staying with the known layout above is fewer key stickers on my DM42 change when converting to WP43S (mod):

With my last layout on this list, I would have to make only 12 key front stickers for my DM42, for:
  1. the 6 keys on the second row (Sum(x) through XEQ),
  2. the 3 on the 3rd row (SIN, COS, TAN), as well as
  3. the 3 on the left (shift, up arrow and down arrow).
With my recent experience of designing and making stickers for my WP34S and WP34C, I see no problem in making a cheap set [I don't like stickers to start with, but it seems to be either a DM42 or a WP43S with a few stickers, and, well, the answer is a no brainer - there is no way I am keeping a souped up 42S if I can have a modified 43S!!].

I am considering (I have not yet convinced myself) to revise the layout to reduce the number of DM42 stickers to a total of FOUR STICKERS only, by revising the layout like this:
  1. keep the DM42 2nd line without key stickers (saving 6 key stickers)
  2. use the DM42 arrow keys (saving 2 key stickers)
  3. move the TRI key sticker down to the DM42 yellow shift key
    This would require careful juggling of the associated shifted WP43S keys in the top row w.r.t. the E+ and the XEQ buttons and that may be a big problem to solve.
Walter wrote: (I'm not going to develop two layouts. Definitely.)
Do not underestimate the meticulous effort that the dev team is putting into the manual (for the official layout). Do not underestimate the complication that a second (official) layout would have had on documentation and code. Hats off to the team.
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
WP34C, HP42S, DM42 for complex math; 35S, 28C, 32Sii, WP34S, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; owned FX702P & 11C; used 67 & 85. iOS: 42s (Byron), Free42, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
43S operators right. DM42 sn. 03818.

User avatar
Walter
Posts: 1100
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 9:13 am
Location: Close to FRA, Germany

Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:58 pm

dlachieze wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:27 pm
... this modified/unofficial layout is looking more familiar to me than the official one.
Walter wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:17 pm
(I'm not going to develop two layouts. Definitely.)
You don’t need to… it’s already done ;)
If you think this way, I must reconsider wasting my talent here.
DM42 SN: 00041 --- Follower of Platon.

HP-35, HP-45, ..., HP-50, WP 34S, WP 31S, DM16L

Post Reply