Why not a DM17BII?

General discussion about calculators, SwissMicros or otherwise

How about a DM17BII?

Great idea, I want to have one!
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14%
Why bother? There are enough choices already.
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39%
Let's wait for the 43S first!
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46%
 
Total votes: 28

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Why not a DM17BII?

Post by jthole »

There is an excellent iOS emulator for one of my favourite HP calculators, the HP 17BII: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/17bii-pro/id338125516

Having that software in a DM calculator (DM42 form factor) would be a dream come true for me! I am sure that a collaboration sounds easier than it is in practice, but why not give it a try? There is an extremely useful mix of financial, statistical, and mathematical functions, plus the excellent solver.


Edit: I just realised that I already asked the same question in 2019 ... but it's still valid ;) viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2278

(While you can still pickup the original HP 17BII for little money, it doesn't have real I/O options, only a mediocre screen, and it lacks all of the improvements of the 17BII Pro iOS app ... the functionality of that app in a SwissMicros package would be my "one calculator to rule them all") :D
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by EM41 »

+-/* keys are on the wrong side of the keyboard.
enter key missing (disguised as input key)
a = key on a HP calc, really ?

Sorry but this thing does not look even remotely like a HP calc :lol:

EDIT: i suggested once the production of a DM blanknut, this could help those port their favorite calc to the DM platform without investing in a dedicated calc or butchering the keyboard of a DM41 or DM42.
Labelsets and good overlays could help, I would buy one to convert in a WP43.
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by Hans S. »

EM41 wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:53 pm
+-/* keys are on the wrong side of the keyboard.
enter key missing (disguised as input key)
a = key on a HP calc, really ?
EM,

yes, really.

The Picture shows a HP 17bII+, which has arithmetic and RPN input. There are other differences, in particular the SOLVE function, which is more (!) sophisticated on the HP 17b and HP 17bII.

You may have a look at the HP-booklet "HP 27S HP 19B Technical Applications", edition 2, November 1988, on advanced solver techniques. Applies also to the HP 17b and HP 17bII.

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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by Peet »

Why a plagiarism of a current HP calculator?
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by jthole »

Peet wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:03 pm
Why a plagiarism of a current HP calculator?
Because it is not a current one? The HP 17BII+ (the current one) is crippled, because it is slower in parts than the 17BII, and because the L() and G() functions are implemented incorrectly.

The 17BII Pro app (without the "plus") has the correct solver. Just like the real HP 17BII, which is discontinued.
Hans S. wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:44 pm
The Picture shows a HP 17bII+, which has arithmetic and RPN input. There are other differences, in particular the SOLVE function, which is more (!) sophisticated on the HP 17b and HP 17bII.
The app has various skins; this one looks best on an iPhone screen.

As I said before; the app has the correct solver (I use L() and G(), plus variable recall, pretty often). It is the current HP calculator that has the crippled implementation.
EM41 wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:53 pm
+-/* keys are on the wrong side of the keyboard.
enter key missing (disguised as input key)
a = key on a HP calc, really ?
With all of the functionality of the 17BII, I can live with the "=" key, because you never have to go into algebraic mode anyway.

A SwissMicros implementation could simply remap that "=" key, of course, if they would work with RLM Software, the app developer.

The +-/* keys are in the right place for any Voyager user, and were maybe placed like that as a concession to the 12C users? Since my main calculator is a HP 11C, I would be happy with that layout personally.
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by Dave Britten »

I'd be pushing for a DM71, personally. ;)
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

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Dave Britten wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:10 am
I'd be pushing for a DM71, personally. ;)
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

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Dan Simpson wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:30 am
I Second that!
Who's going to third it so I can FORTH it?

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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by Walter »

The outcome of this poll looks to me like a landslide victory of the kind DT achieved recently. ;) Shall we count again?
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Re: Why not a DM17BII?

Post by jthole »

Walter wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:55 pm
The outcome of this poll looks to me like a landslide victory of the kind DT achieved recently. ;) Shall we count again?
Well, seems like I'm in the minority anyway :lol:

(BTW, I think a DM71 would be much more of a challenge than a DM17BII [note, not a Plus])
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