43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:08 am

Nigel (UK) wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:57 am
Minor SHOW bug in version 27. To reproduce it, try the following steps:
  • Clear the stack.
  • Enter 2 300 y^x (to get a big integer).
  • Press SHOW (f[.]). (The long integer is displayed in small font - is this intentional?)
  • Press EXIT.
The lower two stack levels are left blank, and the HOME menu is not redrawn.[/list]
There's no problem with SHOWing a real number.

Nigel (UK)
I will fix the menu. That’s not right.

The longint SHOW display has a threshold, over which it changes to small font when it will overrun the 4 lines large font. I will check this and make sure the level is correctly set.

Thank you for the bug report.
I will check tonight.
J
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
WP34C, HP42S, DM42 for complex math; 35S, 28C, 32Sii, WP34S, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; owned FX702P & 11C; used 67 & 85. iOS: 42s (Byron), Free42, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
43S operators right. DM42 sn. 03818.

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Nigel (UK) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:19 am

One more bug, this time with "tick buttons".

If I start the firmware from the DMCP Load Program option, the default settings include triple-press of shift bringing up the HOME menu, and a line in the menu indicating the selected row when SHIFT is pressed. But if I go into the CFG menu in which these options appear they are all unticked. Pressing fgLINE once leaves it unticked (which is correct, since this option is initially selected) and subsequent presses tick and un-tick it as they should.

Not all tick buttons display this behaviour; I'm afraid that I don't have a list of those that are or are not affected.

Incidentally, I've just discovered the G2TAP option. I like it!

Have a good day.

Nigel (UK)

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Dani R. » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:15 pm

Nigel (UK) wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:19 am
One more bug, this time with "tick buttons".

If I start the firmware from the DMCP Load Program option, the default settings include triple-press of shift bringing up the HOME menu, and a line in the menu indicating the selected row when SHIFT is pressed. But if I go into the CFG menu in which these options appear they are all unticked. Pressing fgLINE once leaves it unticked (which is correct, since this option is initially selected) and subsequent presses tick and un-tick it as they should.

Not all tick buttons display this behaviour; I'm afraid that I don't have a list of those that are or are not affected.

Incidentally, I've just discovered the G2TAP option. I like it!

Have a good day.

Nigel (UK)
At the moment the version information is not properly updated in the configuration, because alpha versions are still distributed. The WP43C versions do not always automatically delete the configuration if there have been changes. The observed behavior can be solved with a RESET, i.e. call menu CLR (f[BSP] on the DM42 HW) and then g[F6]. -> RESET -> Y(es).
DM42 SN:00032

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Dani R. » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:29 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:58 pm
... I had no time yet for the cursor key UP/DN bug. Later.

There is also a problem here if Double Click is called as the first action in a menu, e.g. in the CFG menu the function ENGOVR, which is on F6. If you first scroll through all windows with UP, Double Click works.
DM42 SN:00032

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:42 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:07 pm
H2X wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:36 pm
Jaymos wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:16 pm


Agreed. I will have the tabs cut with the next cut/print. Also from the photo, the lines around the buttons could be a bit tighter. Later to judge that though.

J
What's there for the magnet to cling to? The original DM42 faceplate?
Yes, the original marked steel plate.
I eventually got the magnetic template sample and my DM42 in my hands last night.

In the few days after cutting, the substrate was not perfectly flat anymore, with the top and the bottom edges curling down by a mm or max two. Enough that it does not work well on the calculator.

The magnetic properties of the original alloy faceplate is not as good as I hoped. The thin magnetic substrate is not as stiff as it should be and the magnetic force is not strong enough, it does not pull flat against the metal. Fitting to a different, flat, steel surface, the template sticks well, pulling itself straight, implying that the alloy used on the calculator has too weak magnetic properties for this idea to work. My magnetic method is thus abandoned.
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
WP34C, HP42S, DM42 for complex math; 35S, 28C, 32Sii, WP34S, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; owned FX702P & 11C; used 67 & 85. iOS: 42s (Byron), Free42, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
43S operators right. DM42 sn. 03818.

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:45 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:08 am
Nigel (UK) wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:57 am
Minor SHOW bug in version 27. To reproduce it, try the following steps:
  • Clear the stack.
  • Enter 2 300 y^x (to get a big integer).
  • Press SHOW (f[.]). (The long integer is displayed in small font - is this intentional?)
  • Press EXIT.
The lower two stack levels are left blank, and the HOME menu is not redrawn.[/list]
There's no problem with SHOWing a real number.

Nigel (UK)
I will fix the menu. That’s not right.

The longint SHOW display has a threshold, over which it changes to small font when it will overrun the 4 lines large font. I will check this and make sure the level is correctly set.

Thank you for the bug report.
I will check tonight.
J
SHOW fixed in Gitlab. Will be included in the next release.

2^300 is too big anyway. 2^269 fits.

https://gitlab.com/Jaymos/wp43c/-/issues/36
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
WP34C, HP42S, DM42 for complex math; 35S, 28C, 32Sii, WP34S, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; owned FX702P & 11C; used 67 & 85. iOS: 42s (Byron), Free42, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
43S operators right. DM42 sn. 03818.

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 pm

Dani R. wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:35 am
Concerning the assignment of default functions to the function keys when no other menu is open, I still haven't found a solid reason to contradict this idea. But I have also not found a reason for doing so. I would have rather imagined functionalities like the DM42, 'SETUP' etc.. But yes, you can also implement it that way. But as already mentioned, I would put 'PI' on F6 and put another or no or a programmable function on F1.
I would like to claim the compelling reason for having as that I actually use it, therefore there is a good chance some other people may want it too. I like the screen to be clear, when advanced menu stuff is not used, and then I like to have to top 3 lines of the calculator to be math only. There are enough admin/menu/programming/logic menus on the majority of the calculator.

Whichever way, it is essential for me that the four inner FN buttons MUST work unshifted for the yellow shifted functions below it on the 42S layout, that is: y^x, x^2, 10^x, e^x.

I am however negotiable on the two buttons above the yellow Σ- and GTO labels.
  • I really do like pi on top but I can live with moving pi from above Σ- to above GTO.
  • I do not really NEED xth-root -of-y on FN1 and I can negotiate this one.
Options for FN1 in no menu mode are then:
  • x√y
  • SETUP
  • HOME
  • ??
I could also make this FN1 No menu button similar to the Σ+ button, in the sense that it could also get NORMAL MODE configurability in no menu mode. So that we mark it with a white line on the template indicating it is a reconfigurable button. And the options could be all of the above and more.

More options?
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
WP34C, HP42S, DM42 for complex math; 35S, 28C, 32Sii, WP34S, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; owned FX702P & 11C; used 67 & 85. iOS: 42s (Byron), Free42, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
43S operators right. DM42 sn. 03818.

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Nigel (UK) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:00 pm

To me it seems logical to have sigma-minus as the function of the leftmost menu key in no-menu mode, but to make the key reconfigurable like the sigma-plus key below it. Personally I'd like x! there, but allowing it to be configured would be great.

Nigel (UK)

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:26 pm

Nigel (UK) wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:00 pm
To me it seems logical to have sigma-minus as the function of the leftmost menu key in no-menu mode, but to make the key reconfigurable like the sigma-plus key below it. Personally I'd like x! there, but allowing it to be configured would be great.

Nigel (UK)
Good point. I never even considered Σ- for this function.

For symmetry it makes sense: If the ONLY reconfigurable buttons in NORMAL mode are also BOTH marked Σ, and are both top left of the calculator, it is grouped nicely. That means 5 of the six yellow labels (excluding the GTO) are already the same.

More ideas?
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
WP34C, HP42S, DM42 for complex math; 35S, 28C, 32Sii, WP34S, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; owned FX702P & 11C; used 67 & 85. iOS: 42s (Byron), Free42, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
43S operators right. DM42 sn. 03818.

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by H2X » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:54 pm

Nigel (UK) wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:00 pm
To me it seems logical to have sigma-minus as the function of the leftmost menu key in no-menu mode, but to make the key reconfigurable like the sigma-plus key below it. Personally I'd like x! there, but allowing it to be configured would be great.

Nigel (UK)
Sigma-minus seems an obvious contender, if the space is available. Is the rightmost key still also up for grabs?
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