43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Jaymos wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:57 am
PierreMengisen wrote:
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Hi,
with C43.exe I see that in the matrix editor the CC operation does not work. It works in WP43S.exe. Is this normal for the moment?
Many thanks for all the work done.
Do you compile yourself
no, thanks for doing it
Pierre
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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The updated version C43 106 q++ is here:

https://classic43.com/downloads/2021-08 ... 106q++.zip

In there again all the versions, L1, L42, -JM and the Windows simulator.

I have worked a bit more on the fraction display, and integrated the new constants mode into the existing fraction mode controls for the following:

1. Normally pressing [a b/c] gives mixed number/fractions, described in the 43S manual, in the format 3 4/5 instead of 3.80. Pressing [a b/c] again goes to the improper fraction 19/5.

2. I added the mode described two weeks ago here, and I now called the flag in MODE EXFRAC (Exact Fractions). The point is to recognise a few fixed fractions like pi, e, root(3) etc. if this flag is set.

3. Try an Example. Use the new files. Remove the backup.bin file, or execute CLR'RESET. The set the EXFRAC (Exact Fractions) setting as follows:

Code: Select all

3.8 ENTER.
f[MODE] Up g[F6] [EXFRAC]
See how it changes to a mixed number 3 4/5.
Try

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g[a b/c]
and see how it changes to an improper fraction.

4. Try

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π [x]
to see how it recognises the pi.

5. Again, use g[a b/c] to toggle between the fraction modes, very similar to what the normal 43S modes does.

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The first example: 19/5, 19π/5 and 19π/5 + j(19π/5) in normal decimal

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Activating EXFRAC

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De-activating EXFRAC and then activating the standard [b/c] fraction mode of the 43S. (After setting DENMAX to 5 to force it to use a similar denominator of 5).
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Great work. Lots of interesting things. It's a pleasure to work on it.
Pierre
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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A few comments.

Pressing the EXFRAC checkbox should not automatically turn fraction mode on and off, but behave like pressing the DENANY attribute/flag, I think.

√6 or √7 is not recognized.

The representation of `e` takes some getting used to, I think. e^2 or e^(1/2) is not recognized.

`138.875` is not resolved as a fraction.

Complex numbers are generally represented as improper fraction, no matter whether I or M is selected, which is clearer and prevents confusion.

I would not arrange the indicator for the mixed number and improper fraction vertically (M/I). Is there a possibility to display `a` left of `/` for mixed number?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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PierreMengisen wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:07 am
Great work. Lots of interesting things. It's a pleasure to work on it.
👍
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Dani R. wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:00 am
A few comments.
Thanks for the comments, appreciated. Some answers:
Pressing the EXFRAC checkbox should not automatically turn fraction mode on and off...
Agree. Fixed ;-)
√6 or √7 is not recognized.
I had many more constants including even c but the calculator cannot cope with that many calculations in between keypresses. So I removed quite a number. We now only have: √2, √3, √5, π, e and phi.
The representation of `e` takes some getting used to, I think.
I am glad you mention that - I dislike it myself, so I changed it from eE to e.
e^2 or e^(1/2) is not recognized.
I can add some, but the more I add, the slower it gets on battery power.
If e^2 or e^0.5 is a real need, I can add.
Is it?
`138.875` is not resolved as a fraction.
The C43 default DENMAX is 64. Therefor the denominator maximum is 64. This fraction 138.875 is 1111/8. Change DENMAX to 9999 or anything larger than 1110 because currently the size of both the numerator and denominator in the equivalent improper fraction determines the maximum supported.

On second thought, this method of limiting the denominator is old and not needed anymore, so I removed the nominator limit altogether.

It will now show 1111/8 or 138+⅞ in the default DENMAX of 64.

Complex numbers are generally represented as improper fraction, no matter whether I or M is selected, which is clearer and prevents confusion.
I agree. I made complex numbers default to improper fractions due to the pre-existing '+ix' in the number. It helps.

Is there a possibility to display `a` left of `/` for mixed number?
How does this look?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Jaymos wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:33 pm
Dani R. wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:00 am
√6 or √7 is not recognized.
I had many more constants including even c but the calculator cannot cope with that many calculations in between keypresses. So I removed quite a number. We now only have: √2, √3, √5, π, e and phi.
O.K., no issue, also with the missing of e^2 and e^(1/2).
`138.875` is not resolved as a fraction.
... limiting the denominator is old and not needed anymore, so I removed the nominator limit altogether...
👍
Is there a possibility to display `a` left of `/` for mixed number?
How does this look?
Exciting, with DENANY=true you get `max`, with DENANY=false `9999` if >= 9999 or <0 is chosen for DENMAX. I myself would always leave DENANY set to true.

I myself find this indication more intuitive to understand, but maybe there are other opinions.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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working with g(a b/c) in complex mode produces erroneous writing at the scientific level:

after writing\(3\sqrt{3}/2\) and \(3\sqrt{2}/2\)
COMPLEX, we become
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and then multiplying by -1
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we can notice the absence of the distribution of the i on the second part of the imaginary value.

This becomes more problematic with the SHOW request where the negative sign is distributed this time.
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This being the case, I wonder if it is necessary to use g(a b/c) in complex writing?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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PierreMengisen wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:20 pm
This being the case, I wonder if it is necessary to use g(a b/c) in complex writing?
Thanks for the report.

I fully agree, I did not want to do this complication of the distributed i, therefore this is a bug, because I have removed the [a b/c] for complex already yesterday prior to the release, but somehow it is not gone completely.

The case where there is no root works in complex - if I do the example for 3 ENTER 2 / ENTER COMPLEX it results in:
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I will find the bug and fix.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Another bug from your screen above: the ≈ should not be there if complex.
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