I've loaded the C43L42_103 on my DM42 and while browsing the catalog of menus I've got an error message with the calculator frozen. I had to press reset at the back of the DM42 to recover as pressing EXIT as indicated on the screen didn't work.
How to reproduce:
WP43 Alternative key layout --> C43
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
DM42: 00425 - DM41X: β00066 - WP43: 00042
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
Thank you for the comments on the menu positions.
I am ALWAYS looking for practical feedback. Sometimes we place items to be logical, but not necessarily practical.
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Currently, it is hidden in the CAT'DIGITS menu, the i on the side works like 35s 'i' in NIM. (do not confuse with the "i" in the HOME menu which of course is the i, the noun, not the verb .)
I never pushed this, as it is really just the NIM version of CC, but did it just a experiment. I think this feature should disappear or be unadvertised.
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So I changed the CPX menu any way because it is an excellent suggestion. That one still works no prob.
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I am ALWAYS looking for practical feedback. Sometimes we place items to be logical, but not necessarily practical.
Agree> To throw in my bit on the UI, it is ingenious for the most part. I like the home menu with single press x^2 and y^x.
Fully agree. I like it a lot.> The long press for g shifted commands is almost better than the second blue button, once you are used to it.
That is a very sensible suggestion. I think this is example of how I logically spaced it, but not practically. I implemented it - seems more ergonomic, see below:> I also like the complex menu, but miss having a single press CC button, as on the WP43s.... I would happily exchange the position of the CC and conj buttons.
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I have implemented the i key long ago, but when I checked it now, it stopped working due to 43S arrangements. I fixed it quickly.> The HP35s may have rubbish complex support, but I have always liked the i key for easy complex number entry.
Currently, it is hidden in the CAT'DIGITS menu, the i on the side works like 35s 'i' in NIM. (do not confuse with the "i" in the HOME menu which of course is the i, the noun, not the verb .)
I never pushed this, as it is really just the NIM version of CC, but did it just a experiment. I think this feature should disappear or be unadvertised.
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Great - I love it. There is little feedback on that feature. It was one of the first I added after seeing it on Nigel's implementation on the WP34S.> The sig display mode is also great- something that I have always missed on calculators!
Yes there is a USER layout. But I prefer labelled key. Really do not like unlabelled things.> OK, I missed the layout with CC at the top left. That works too.
So I changed the CPX menu any way because it is an excellent suggestion. That one still works no prob.
I do not want to do that; not yet. Yes, if there is more pressure, I can change it around ... let's see.> ... then the sigma + and sigma - keys in the stat menu will need to be swapped?
Also a great idea. I think x! is used once in a long while - most people do not use it for serious business - only to demo large numbers. Maybe they forget how easy to do f[pi] [10^x] [10^x], all using long presses, no shift.... So I am happy to shift it around. Personally, I use x! more than CC, simply because I really dislike CC cause of the frequent miss-pressing thinking it is COMPLEX from HP42S.> Having shifted CC on the home menu is OK, but but my personal preference would be to swap CC with x!
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Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
Thank you for the complete report. That always helps. I will investigate.dlachieze wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:35 pmI've loaded the C43L42_103 on my DM42 and while browsing the catalog of menus I've got an error message with the calculator frozen. I had to press reset at the back of the DM42 to recover as pressing EXIT as indicated on the screen didn't work.
How to reproduce:
The catalog and mode operations recently changed a lot in the underlying 43S code, and I have not ironed out all the corner cases which appeared due to C43's significantly different operation. I will fix it - but it is part of a few difficult bugs to find, so let us say as soon as possible, no sooner
Thanx
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
Please be specific as to which part of the sentence your agreement is.
1. Missing CC?
2. That it works.
3. No need for a menu change?
4. Sigma keys swapping?
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
Oops, that was very abbreviated.
C47(DM42) SN:00032 WP43 SN:00016
https://47calc.com
https://47calc.com
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
I am willing to discuss that.
1. The purpose of the Σ- on the bottom is clear, as we already have Σ+ just below it.
2. However, Σ- must certainly be the exception to press, and if you do need, you can certainly press shift.
3. Also, swapping them will mean two Σ+'s directly above/below each other.
4. Σ+ on FN1 will allow better usage of the normal mode and user mode top right key. (Ed. I really meant LEFT).
I think (4) trumps everything. (Didn't like using that word). If the feeling is to rather be sure you have a convenient Σ+ available even if there are two, then I will change it.
Any other commenters?
Last edited by Jaymos on Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
I agree with leaving sigma + where it is, since the key is labelled and I'm used to finding it there, and also leaving the stat menu intact. I mentioned it more because I just discovered that you were trying it out and IF sigma + went, the stat menu might need to change.Yes there is a USER layout. But I prefer labelled key. Really do not like unlabelled things.
So I changed the CPX menu any way because it is an excellent suggestion. That one still works no prob.
So we are right on the same page.
HP50G HP35s Free42 DM42.
Testing WP43S, C43.
Testing WP43S, C43.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
We have introduced that the key Σ+ can be assigned with another function, even if USER is not activated. Currently this is PRGM, USER, HOME, Σ+, ALPHA, CC, G SH or MYM. So it is legitimate that users start using this functionality. From there, it is no longer possible to assume that the Σ+ key is assigned with Σ+.
Having Σ+ on F1 in the STAT menu does not interfere further, even if some users still have the Σ+ key assigned to Σ+.
Having Σ+ on F1 in the STAT menu does not interfere further, even if some users still have the Σ+ key assigned to Σ+.
C47(DM42) SN:00032 WP43 SN:00016
https://47calc.com
https://47calc.com
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
As a Linux user, I will appreciate a bit of direction on how you did this.
HP50G HP35s Free42 DM42.
Testing WP43S, C43.
Testing WP43S, C43.
Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C
Consider it doneDani R. wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:35 pmWe have introduced that the key Σ+ can be assigned with another function, even if USER is not activated. Currently this is PRGM, USER, HOME, Σ+, ALPHA, CC, G SH or MYM. So it is legitimate that users start using this functionality. From there, it is no longer possible to assume that the Σ+ key is assigned with Σ+.
Having Σ+ on F1 in the STAT menu does not interfere further, even if some users still have the Σ+ key assigned to Σ+.
Jaco Mostert
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.
Elec Eng, South Africa
https://47calc.com C47 (s/n 03818 & 06199), WP43 (0015). In box: HP42S, HP32Sii, WP34S&C, HP28C, HP35s, EL-506P, EL-W506, PB700; ex: FX702P, 11C, HP67 & HP85; iOS: 42s Byron, Free42+, WP31S/34S, HCalc.