WP43 Alternative key layout --> C43

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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akaTB wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:03 pm
rudi wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:41 pm
I really like the C43 layout, artithmetic keys in the “right” side and logarithmic and their inverse on separate keys.
Left is right and right is wrong.
Dang, too late - I was going to say "wait for it..." :D
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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akaTB wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:03 pm
rudi wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:41 pm
I really like the C43 layout, artithmetic keys in the “right” side and logarithmic and their inverse on separate keys.
Left is right and right is wrong.
Nope - right is right ;-)
Right?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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rudi wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:42 pm
Nope - right is right ;-)
Right?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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akaTB wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:03 pm
rudi wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:41 pm
I really like the C43 layout, artithmetic keys in the “right” side and logarithmic and their inverse on separate keys.
Left is right and right is wrong.
1 +
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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dlachieze wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:56 pm
Any idea when the C43 bezel will be available for order?
Fair question. Short answer is no.

Long answer is that the bezel project completely halted for 2 full years and we re-started the engineering effort again recently. We do not have schedule commitments from all the parties and the factory as yet.

We do have faint hope though for a few months from now. Let’s hold the thumbs.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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rprosperi wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:54 pm
akaTB wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:03 pm
Left is right and right is wrong.
1 +
I’m ready to receive all your 15C’s, 42’s, 71’s and 48’s to deliver you from the temptation to go the wrong way :mrgreen:
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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dlachieze wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:14 am
rprosperi wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:54 pm
akaTB wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:03 pm
Left is right and right is wrong.
1 +
I’m ready to receive all your 15C’s, 42’s, 71’s and 48’s to deliver you from the temptation to go the wrong way :mrgreen:
This is the perfect placement:
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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I usually prefer arithmetic keys on the right, but after using a "left" calculator for a short while, I recently realized that it really didn't matter much.

Both layouts are very well thought. I have a preference for the 43S because of the individual shift buttons and maybe a better grouping of similar functions, but it's a hard choice. The 43C has more directly available operations that I find essential like x^2 (even though it's shifted and SQRT is direct), y^x and the trigonometric functions, but the user mode should fix that for me.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Jaymos wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:59 pm
Let's place the layouts next to one another - I have not done a pic like that for some time - in fact way before the last changes were done on the key layouts on both sides:

Clipboard04.png

(Note that the line on the C43 screen is a Windows artifact: the shift key picks up and shows the f- then the g- shift line in succession on the calculator simulator when I press Shift-Windows-S to capture the screen grab ! )
This image raises a few (superficial) questions about the C43 layout:
1. Why are the letters "N" and "Y" white, while the other letters are grey?
2. Why are COS and TAN underlined in orange and blue (respectively)?
3. It's difficult to know which keys bring up menus because the black background of their labels on the bezel is very hard to see against the very dark grey (brown?) of the rest of the bezel -- more contrast seems called for!
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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redglyph wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:37 pm
Well, I've never written SIN and COS either, but functions are usually upper-case on calculators keys for the sake of clarity (is it specified that it must be lower-case?). I wouldn't worry too much about that.

PS: Seeing 'ln' and 'lg' as the only lower-case functions makes me thing they behave differently, actually.
Usually, i.e. when you print, write, or read mathematical functions, many are lower case, like sin, cos, arctan, sinh, arcosh, ln, e^x, lg, etc. We kept most of them this way on the WP43S.
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