43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by pcscote » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Dani R. wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:25 am
To add to the list a little longer:
  • Convert numbers
  • Integer arithmetic
  • Number base
I still think you have to leave it at BASE.
16C is probably not something you can use.

EXP | BIN | FIN reads well, though.
More acronyms ...

BOH : Binary Octal Hexadecimal
HBOD : Hexadecimal Binary Octal Decimal
... you can play with the permutation

edit: another idea, why not use subscript, like: N (subscript) B
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Dani R. » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:20 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:57 pm
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RDX is a good contender. The only thing to consider is the frequent usage of ‘radix’ only when ‘radix mark’ is meant. But maybe that will aid the correct understanding of radix.
Learned something again. However, I would still rather locate 'radix' with complex numbers.

Since decimal fractions and negative numbers are not welcome in the BASE menu, why not use 'cardinal number' (CRD)?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by H2X » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:46 pm

I like BASE... There are other long words out there (with more than 4 letters). Are they to be chopped as well?
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Dani R. » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:29 pm

H2X wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:46 pm
I like BASE... There are other long words out there (with more than 4 letters). Are they to be chopped as well?
+1


'LASTx' over [x<>y] hung over almost to [ENTER]. On this line, the scrum is most noticeable because the key spacing is narrower, but it already has menu labels. I think, with the search for a TLA for 'BASE' the space taken up by 'MODE BASE' becomes a bit smaller and you can put 'LSTx EXP' symmetrically over [x<>y]. But I myself would also do without the symmetry over [x<>y] and vote again for keeping 'BASE'. (Is it actually possible to throw several votes into the urn without anyone noticing?)
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:07 pm

H2X wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:46 pm
I like BASE... There are other long words out there (with more than 4 letters). Are they to be chopped as well?
No wonder I have votes/voters > 1. Confirming what Dani said, we are between a rock and a hard place in that area. The simulator text font is smaller than the artwork font, and the simulator is substantially larger on screen than the real calculator, both of which makes it seem to fit easily. Either way, I am impressed by his reference to scrum, glad the sport is understood by the central European heritages ;-).

I do not intend to chop others, but it would immensely help if we could relax that tight little area which has two 4-letter words with wider letters. We have no TLAs in use and I favour an abbreviation that immediately resembles the concept. The only non-single word abbreviations we have are X.FN, P.FN and I/O, all three of which are marked with a delimiter.

In terms of integer number operations, we have INTS for integer arithmetic and BITS for boolean and bit operations. I would have liked like the (BASE) menu to refer to short integers, but SNT and SHT don't jump out with the correct meaning. BIN does tell the reader exactly what to expect, in the same way as BITS and INTS do.

BIN seems the best alternative we have, unless there are more words or more pleas.

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BTW, RDX is already used for the "radix mark".
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Illustration of how BIN and LSTx could look.
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BTW, trying to find more relevant words for base this afternoon, I stumbled upon Nystrom's calculator and this amazing book published in 1862, canvassing for the general acceptance of time, money, surveying, weight, distances, degrees, and the lot, to the HEX system called TONAL, instead of the then upcoming French decimal system with all its evils ... Our calculator would have been "Detonvy C" meaning Forty Three C.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by H2X » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:16 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:07 pm
BIN seems the best alternative we have, unless there are more words or more pleas.
Your call, but I'd say BIN only covers a small subset of the ground, and also is misleading. I'd expect to BIN to give me a menu with binary operations.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by RAPo » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:50 pm

How about #BA ? the # indicates one of the several base options, BA is distinct from BAS.
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by Jaymos » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:12 pm

RAPo wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:50 pm
How about #BA ? the # indicates one of the several base options, BA is distinct from BAS.
It is possible to use # as long as we choose letters to avoid confusion. Potential confusion is that # is already on g[1/x] and is used to enter shortints or change to arbitrary bases 2-16.

The concept of a command & similar menu, # and #BA is similar to the COMPLEX command and CPX menu.

The options would be maybe:

#BS (base)
#BA (base)
#SI (SHortInt)

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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by RAPo » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:52 pm

#BS is also a nice one!
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Re: 43S Alternative key layout --> WP43C

Post by H2X » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:22 pm

NUM, as in numeral system, which is related to radix?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_system, referenced from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix
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