43S News

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Well, let a hundred flowers bloom,... (百花齐放,...) 8-)

(Two remarks: Referring to the fathers in their wisdom, please look at the HP-45; I admit this was not programmable though.
Inserting a submenu, you lose 1/18 of the menu - using [up] or [down] instead, you lose nothing. )
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Walter wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:01 am

Inserting a submenu, you lose 1/18 of the menu - using [up] or [down] instead, you lose nothing.

I know that well. Pros and cons. I just wanted to mention that there is value in your short fixed menus, maybe needed for these bridge functions. As a menu it can find its way to a User key too.

But for me it’s 50/50, I’m just recognising the difference.
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There are spaces in both the EXP and TRI menus, so we're not losing anything. Unless we start adding sec, cosec, cot and their hyperbolic equivalents :twisted:

Jacobi's sn an cn are related to sin/sinh and cos/cosh respectively, so they might be a problem adding to the TRI menu (like sinh/cosh). There isn't space in the EXP menu.
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How about the second view of TRI ? Just a suggestion though...

(And don't forget appearing with new function proposals whenever we're approaching complete implementation of the function set specified. Remember the various ways to kill a project. ... Feature creep ...)
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Indeed as indicated below is a solution that works for me.
tuxfish wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:37 am
Option #2 plus the extension posted by @pauli concerning "add a new menu for elliptic functions.", if possible, please.
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I much prefer option #1. I use much more y^x than EXP menu.
Also, sqrt is more useful unshifted, as x^2 is easily done by Enter *
Maybe 30 years of HP41 usage has something to do with this. I was shocked when I used an HP Prime for the first time, as it has x^2 as an unshifted function. Then I realized that as it is not a true RPN calculator, operations easily done using the stack were placed unshifted, clearly indicating its algebraic soul.

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tl;dr:
I'm for option 2 with Pauli's suggestion.

To elaborate a bit:
My first impulse was option #1, because I tend to use y^x more often then most of the EXP menu.
But otoh, this would make everything in EXP three keypresses away, instead of two. And, as you pointed out, as long as the menu is opened, y^x is accessible with one keystroke. Also, having EXP and TRI next to each other looks nice and consistent to me, but that's probably just a matter of taste.
I feel it's weird to have y^x shifted on the same key that opens the EXP menu, which also gives access to this function. So, that place would lend itself to adding another menu.
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PS: And if I'll find out that I really use y^x so often that I want it directly on an unshifted key, there's always the User Mode.
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Walter wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:50 pm
Tataaa! We succeeded in building our first release. Please find it here: https://gitlab.com/Over_score/wp43s/-/releases :D

Therein is everything you may want to try, test, and check our 43S. The new stuff encompasses almost complete statistic functions, curve fits incl. regression plots (thanks to Jaco!). Please look into the manuals to find more news. Enjoy! :D

And if you discover anything weird, please react differently to prior times: please report.
Got the build. Noticed I needed GTK3 Runtime, so installed that.
I run wp43s.exe and get "The procedure entry point InflateReset2 could not be located in the dynamic link library C:\...\Win64\bin\libpng16-16.dll.
It is follow by anther similar message for deflateSetHeader. I run on Windows 10 64-bit. I installed GKT3 for Win64. Did I misunderstand the intructions for installing? Greg.
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Following gmac42's train of thought, I feel obliged to revise my earlier rather impulsive vote for Option #1.

As pointed out, although I feel that I, personally, use y^x more than any of the other EXP-menu operations, the fact that the menu stays open as long as it is not replaced by another one eluded me at the time I casted the vote. Taking this into account and the fact that the global balance of keypresses required has its optimum in Option #2, this seems to be the more reasonable approach.

What we all should not forget is that there won't be the perfect solution for everyone in the community (e. g. me preferring base-10-operations for my frequent use in the field of acoustics while base-e-operations are the predominant operations in natural sciences etc.). Freely following Walter's earlier comments: "Don't let perfect (for a few) be the enemy of good (for many)." And it is not some fundamental stuff like the infamous "+-*/"-key arrangement discussion either.

That said and being happy about the possibility to fiddle around in USER mode, I am looking forward to the next release. Still very impressed with the project and what the team has conjured up to this point.
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