Thanks, I think this is an improvement.
Pauli
This is not the point. I always have a very up-to-date simulator, because I compile them myself. I have seen the change, I have tried it, I don't like it. It is quite possible that I missed something somewhere, but I can't remember finding a SHIFT function on a HP calculator on a SHIFT key. On other special keys, but not on a SHIFT key itself. I can't see any added value in this innovation, even after thinking about it several times. It cannot be lack of space that led to this solution.Walter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:39 pmIf you mistype [f] (or [g]) on the 43S, you can simply press the same key again and the mistyped [f] (or [g]) is canceled. Verify with the simulator.Dani R. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:50 amIf I mistype on the 16C, which can happen because the function I am looking for is assumed to be on the other level, I can now simply press the other function key, the problem is solved.
But yes, you can have double assignments on the f- and g-key. But I don't think that all potential users have noticed this change. I think the circle of those who at least try the emulator is quite small.
I had the impression that it was regretted that the last presentation of the layout generated so little echo. I just tried to increase the traffic a bit. The attempt seems to have failed. I suppose, and here I can only write about my impressions, that there are some people here who have fallen silent because they don't feel able to convince the PR. Or they have unlimited confidence that the final product will be perfect either way, so that they don't have to comment on the intermediate steps. But I think the interest in WP43S is there, the other thread proves it.
Sometimes I don't understand myself. To be clear, I'm only referring to the inscription of the keys themselves. What I want is a label with exactly the same font as on the classic HP calculators, like the generation 41C, 16C. Here I find the typeface extremely appealing (habituation effect?) and also the font size is large enough. My many words were an attempt to express my scepticism that the final product hardly will have the exact appearance of the last layout, and that it might be worthwhile to fine-tune the font itself.Walter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:29 pmNow what is it what you want? What you really, really want?Dani R. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:30 amI think the font size and typeface you find on a 41C, 16C etc. are ideal. ... The font on the last draft of the WP43S is a bit narrower, but the font size is even bigger than on the 41C, 16C. ... it looks very good to highlight the digits, the cursor keys and BSP/CLX more bold. I don't see any practical use for this ...
Or they think it is perfect / good enough / honestly don't care. Those who do not speak up, are not necessarily un-happy (alluding to a previous allusion).
Quite!
Yes, of course, my list was not exhaustive.
Sorry but we won't get "exactly the same font as on the classic HP calculators, like the generation 41C, 16C."Dani R. wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:23 amSometimes I don't understand myself. To be clear, I'm only referring to the inscription of the keys themselves. What I want is a label with exactly the same font as on the classic HP calculators, like the generation 41C, 16C. Here I find the typeface extremely appealing (habituation effect?) and also the font size is large enough. My many words were an attempt to express my scepticism that the final product hardly will have the exact appearance of the last layout, and that it might be worthwhile to fine-tune the font itself.Walter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:29 pmNow what is it what you want? What you really, really want?Dani R. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:30 amI think the font size and typeface you find on a 41C, 16C etc. are ideal. ... The font on the last draft of the WP43S is a bit narrower, but the font size is even bigger than on the 41C, 16C. ... it looks very good to highlight the digits, the cursor keys and BSP/CLX more bold. I don't see any practical use for this ...
I concur with your impression. Actually, I try this continuously. But the audience is either content, confident, patient, bored, analphabetic, non-existent, or simply lazy - hard to tell.
I think Jaco, H2X and/or Michael Steinmann (and further) would like to offer their support here. They are already deeper in the subject than me. So it's not worth for me to get into this topic. I mean, I'm totally counting on Jaco here.Walter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:55 amSorry but we won't get "exactly the same font as on the classic HP calculators, like the generation 41C, 16C."
Reasons:
- That was a font HP designed itself and didn't publish,
- They made double-shot keys then, and some details of the labels are obviously linked to that production method.
- Designing "my own" TTF font is beyond my capabilities. With thousands of fonts available on this planet, I combine the best I find ("the best" in my view - feel free to design your best labels to calm your scepticism and experience the fun of fine-tuning fonts yourself.
Let me add my opinion before it is assumed that my silence agrees to the status quo.Dani R. wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:21 amThis is not the point. I always have a very up-to-date simulator, because I compile them myself. I have seen the change, I have tried it, I don't like it. It is quite possible that I missed something somewhere, but I can't remember finding a SHIFT function on a HP calculator on a SHIFT key. On other special keys, but not on a SHIFT key itself. I can't see any added value in this innovation, even after thinking about it several times. It cannot be lack of space that led to this solution.Walter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:39 pmIf you mistype [f] (or [g]) on the 43S, you can simply press the same key again and the mistyped [f] (or [g]) is canceled. Verify with the simulator.Dani R. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:50 am
If I mistype on the 16C, which can happen because the function I am looking for is assumed to be on the other level, I can now simply press the other function key, the problem is solved.
But yes, you can have double assignments on the f- and g-key. But I don't think that all potential users have noticed this change. I think the circle of those who at least try the emulator is quite small.
But all this is not a real issue, I was able to express my astonishment. Since I am the only one who is sceptical about such progress, I am probably someone who has got stuck in the last millennium.