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Re: 43S News

Post by akaTB » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:48 pm

Walter wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:10 pm
May 2019
Why only May? What about the other 11 months? :lol:

My best wishes from Italy, everybody!
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Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:52 pm

akaTB wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:48 pm
Walter wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:10 pm
May 2019
Why only May? What about the other 11 months? :lol:

My best wishes from Italy, everybody!
Certamente, professore! :mrgreen:
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Re: 43S News

Post by Jaymos » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:37 am

rprosperi wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:14 am

@Walter - As far as who the comments are directed to, I'm really commenting and seeking support from whomever is reading this thread.
My comments to the request above:

Despite the obvious difficulties mentioned, I would like and prefer coloured moulded function keys as opposed to stick-ons or framed boxes around the keys. I agree that framed boxes could be a fall back option, or be provided any way, but I really would not like function keys to be the same colour as other keys. Maybe we’ve been spoiled by HP.

Furthermore, I do realise the complexity of the almost ‘religious’ discussion around left/right operator keys and I do not want to debate that issue. But since both lobby groups are fairly substantial, my question (to Michael) would simply be whether it can be considered to have two parallel key layout designs (i.e. a top cover change only, with the left and right groups of 4 keys swapped). If this would be available, I would certainly order the RH-key version, or RH-cover as additional spare to fit myself.

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Re: 43S News

Post by akaTB » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:37 am
I would certainly order the RH-key version, or RH-cover as additional spare to fit myself.
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Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:48 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:37 am
Despite the obvious difficulties mentioned, I would like and prefer coloured moulded function keys as opposed to stick-ons or framed boxes around the keys. I agree that framed boxes could be a fall back option, or be provided any way, but I really would not like function keys to be the same colour as other keys. Maybe we’ve been spoiled by HP.
Nobody ever talked about "stick-ons"! Framed boxes were offered for those who suspect that SM's key writings would wear off, nothing more. Personally, I'm confident these writings will stand.

The function keys will have the same colour as other keys. ... Though perhaps you were talking about the prefix keys? This issue was explained above (Dec. 1st), I won't repeat it here. :roll:

I feel very sorry, though I'm afraid we cannot make anything like double-shot keys for a batch of maybe a thousand calculators. Yes, "we’ve been spoiled by HP" but remember they made batches several orders of magnitude greater. And even HP stopped double-shot keys in the Nineties of last century. Personally, I don't see anything like that for the 43S. Though I don't think double-shots are necessary anymore since there are other techniques (American marketing: "technologies") enabling us to write reliably on the keys.
Jaymos wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:37 am
Furthermore, I do realise the complexity of the almost ‘religious’ discussion around left/right operator keys and I do not want to debate that issue. But since both lobby groups are fairly substantial, my question (to Michael) would simply be whether it can be considered to have two parallel key layout designs (i.e. a top cover change only, with the left and right groups of 4 keys swapped). If this would be available, I would certainly order the RH-key version, or RH-cover as additional spare to fit myself.
That's to Michael. :)
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Re: 43S News

Post by Jaymos » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:00 pm

Walter wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:48 pm

The function keys will have the same colour as other keys. ... Though perhaps you were talking about the prefix keys? This issue was explained above (Dec. 1st), I won't repeat it here. :roll:
I did mean prefix keys, i.e. “f” and “g”. I had no intention to imply any other colour differentiation on keys necessary.

I did see the explanations of 1 Dec, and I understand the economies of scale explained on 1 Jan. I was simply sharing my ‘desires’ re. coloured prefix keys, as was suggested by ‘bob p’ on 1 Dec.

Thank you for again and again responding to different nuances of the same old questions from different individuals and potential users.
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Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:56 pm

Jaymos wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:00 pm
I did see the explanations of 1 Dec, and I understand the economies of scale explained on 1 Jan. I was simply sharing my ‘desires’ re. coloured prefix keys, as was suggested by ‘bob p’ on 1 Dec.

Thank you for again and again responding to different nuances of the same old questions from different individuals and potential users.
Thanks for sharing your desires. I know that after Christmas is before Christmas, so feel free to post whatever wishlists you may have. I simply try to tell what looks viable to me within the (physical, economical, etc.) boundary conditions given. If you don't concur, please try to convince me. And if you don't succeed, try harder. :)

And if you have any questions whatsoever, please don't hesitate to ask. And if I misunderstood your questions or didn't get your points, keep asking.

The worst thing that can happen to you is I've to tell you that your issue was discussed earlier already. And some times, depending on the weather etc., I might become ironic or sarcastic; though that takes a while, usually... (and in contrast to another calculator forum in the Wild West, noone was shot or banned here so far for asking wrong questions or posting unpleasant facts and I hope this will stay this way).
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Re: 43S News

Post by gandhi » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:32 pm

Happy new year to all,

As %, ▲% and some other function's did in most of HP calculators, I wondered if it would be possible to get the RMDR "key" returning two values (in x and y register). Indeed, I find it equally usefull to get the remainder and the (integer) quotient for an "integer division" (I'm not certain if it's the correct mathematical name for that operation). Of course, I understand that such behaviour may not be the suitable for programming reason, also I believe that MOD function should remain at least in catalog to get the former single returning function available.

PS: Is it already foreseen to write any kind of short instruction/cheatsheet in calculator's back ?

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Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:21 pm

gandhi wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:32 pm
As %, ▲% and some other function's did in most of HP calculators, I wondered if it would be possible to get the RMDR "key" returning two values (in x and y register). Indeed, I find it equally usefull to get the remainder and the (integer) quotient for an "integer division" (I'm not certain if it's the correct mathematical name for that operation). Of course, I understand that such behaviour may not be the suitable for programming reason, also I believe that MOD function should remain at least in catalog to get the former single returning function available.
All three functions IDIV (integer divide), RMDR (remainder), and MOD (modulo) are going to be present in the function set, each of them operating as a dyadic function (as they were and did in the set of the WP 34S). There will be some 750 functions provided in total. :)
gandhi wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:32 pm
PS: Is it already foreseen to write any kind of short instruction/cheatsheet in calculator's back ?
That's a bit more difficult: the Quick Reference Guide needs 13 pages so far. This is far less, however, than the 563 pages of both manuals in total. :)
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Re: 43S News

Post by Pirx » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:19 pm

There will be some 750 functions provided in total.
I wonder, are you guys familiar with John Holland's old Engineering Mathematics Library that one could buy for the HP48SX? It's a book that came with a firmware card for the calculator, which would add more than 1,100 (!) additional functions for the calculator, including a very complete set of higher mathematical functions. An HP 48SX together with this library is probably to this day absolutely unbeatable as far as sheer range of numerical functionality for engineering mathematics is concerned.

I realize that a significant portion of that functionality will probably not be portable to a project such as the 43S (certainly not the plotting functions, for example; one more reason to ask for a DM48… 8-) ). However, it would be great if the people on the 43S team could take a look at what's included in that library. You can see that it's still available for sale (used or new), and the used versions are not very expensive. Perhaps you could find some additional functionality that might be great to also include in the 43S. Just a suggestion ;)

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