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Re: 43S News

Post by grsbanks » Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 am

ijabbott wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:18 pm
You might also see it written as: ]-π, π], but I think (-π, π] is the more common style.
Not where I learned maths :) I always learned it as ]-π, π] and had never seen (-π, π] until this discussion cropped up. I find the former notation more intuitive and indicative of its meaning.
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Re: 43S News

Post by akaTB » Wed May 29, 2019 5:47 am

Jaymos wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 1:57 am

I scratched in the WP43S emulator code and found some good reasons why some or all of the dev team won't entertain the idea of officially changing the operators to the right hand side of the calculator.
I was under the impression (at least from posts from the golden age, left elsewhere) that every key was reassignable in the 43s. Is it still so?

I wish you luck Jaco, however remember: left is right and right is wrong! :D
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Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Wed May 29, 2019 7:30 am

grsbanks wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 am
ijabbott wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:18 pm
You might also see it written as: ]-π, π], but I think (-π, π] is the more common style.
Not where I learned maths :) I always learned it as ]-π, π] and had never seen (-π, π] until this discussion cropped up. I find the former notation more intuitive and indicative of its meaning.
As usual, preference depends on what you learned first. 8-)
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Re: 43S News

Post by Walter » Wed May 29, 2019 7:40 am

akaTB wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 5:47 am
Jaymos wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 1:57 am
I scratched in the WP43S emulator code and found some good reasons why some or all of the dev team won't entertain the idea of officially changing the operators to the right hand side of the calculator.
I was under the impression (at least from posts from the golden age, left elsewhere) that every key was reassignable in the 43s. Is it still so?

I wish you luck Jaco, however remember: left is right and right is wrong! :D
Please see p. 283 of the Owner's Manual.
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Re: 43S News

Post by ijabbott » Wed May 29, 2019 7:48 am

grsbanks wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 am
ijabbott wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:18 pm
You might also see it written as: ]-π, π], but I think (-π, π] is the more common style.
Not where I learned maths :) I always learned it as ]-π, π] and had never seen (-π, π] until this discussion cropped up. I find the former notation more intuitive and indicative of its meaning.
I think "]-π, π]" is referred to as "French notation" and "(-π, π]" is referred to as "American notation" or "English notation". I don't know about the rest of the world, but there is also "Czech notation" which is like American/English notation but replaces square brackets with angle brackets.

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Re: 43S News

Post by Over_score » Wed May 29, 2019 7:50 am

Same for me: I learned ] 0 ; 1] and the french wikipedia page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervall ... 9matiques) discreetly mentions:
Une autre notation (d'origine anglaise mais très répandue également) utilise, pour les intervalles (semi-)ouverts, une parenthèse au lieu d'un crochet.
meaning
Another notation (of English origin but also very widespread) uses, for (semi-)open intervals, a parenthesis instead of a bracket.
I find this "french" notation more intuitive.
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Re: 43S News

Post by H2X » Wed May 29, 2019 9:47 am

ijabbott wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:48 am
I don't know about the rest of the world, but there is also "Czech notation" which is like American/English notation but replaces square brackets with angle brackets.
I learnt <-π, π] (in Norway).
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Re: 43S News

Post by Jaymos » Wed May 29, 2019 9:54 am

akaTB wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 5:47 am
Jaymos wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 1:57 am

I scratched in the WP43S emulator code and found some good reasons why some or all of the dev team won't entertain the idea of officially changing the operators to the right hand side of the calculator.
I was under the impression (at least from posts from the golden age, left elsewhere) that every key was reassignable in the 43s. Is it still so?
Massimo, almost all can be changed in the USER menu, as also per Walter’s reference. But ‘EXIT’ bottom right is recommended not to change, i.e. that is a problem for left/right swap. Also I want the keys to permanently change, not while in USER mode only.
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Re: 43S News

Post by ijabbott » Wed May 29, 2019 11:59 am

H2X wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:47 am
ijabbott wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:48 am
I don't know about the rest of the world, but there is also "Czech notation" which is like American/English notation but replaces square brackets with angle brackets.
I learnt <-π, π] (in Norway).
So that's four different notations so far. ISO 80000-2 only lists the (] and ]] styles (hooky scanned copy here).

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Re: 43S News

Post by grsbanks » Wed May 29, 2019 12:00 pm

Over_score wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:50 am
I find this "french" notation more intuitive.
The fact that I did my secondary and further education in France probably explains why I find it more intuitive too :)
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