DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

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Walter
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by Walter » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm

DavidM wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:28 pm
sambutoki wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:55 pm
+1
I'll add to the votes calling for a DM 48 - or a DM 48/50 - BUT only with a 48G keyboard layout - the keyboard layout of the 50g is one of the few things I really dislike about that calculator.
A "DM 51" with the following features would be very enticing:
- 48g keyboard layout
- 50g firmware image (which may need to be loaded by purchaser, of course)
- Saturn code compatibility with "Saturnator" support (ala Emu48+)
- Some kind of support for accessing enhanced display resolution through custom programming
- Flash drive support >2GB

The compatibility of such a device would ensure a wealth of programs/libraries/etc. on day 1 (possible exception being the keyboard layout). The downside, of course, is that the inherent Saturn limitations would still exist (in particular address space with all the baggage it carries).

Overriding existing firmware support for standard 50g hardware (serial comm, I/R, flash drive, display, etc.) would be a challenge, I'm sure.

Never hurts to dream!
Well, the 48G keyboard means quite a footprint. If I'd be SwissMicros, I'd try to stay with the tools I've paid already before I turn to new ones.
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by zx_spectrum » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:29 am

Walter wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm
DavidM wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:28 pm
sambutoki wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:55 pm
+1
I'll add to the votes calling for a DM 48 - or a DM 48/50 - BUT only with a 48G keyboard layout - the keyboard layout of the 50g is one of the few things I really dislike about that calculator.
A "DM 51" with the following features would be very enticing:
- 48g keyboard layout
- 50g firmware image (which may need to be loaded by purchaser, of course)
- Saturn code compatibility with "Saturnator" support (ala Emu48+)
- Some kind of support for accessing enhanced display resolution through custom programming
- Flash drive support >2GB

The compatibility of such a device would ensure a wealth of programs/libraries/etc. on day 1 (possible exception being the keyboard layout). The downside, of course, is that the inherent Saturn limitations would still exist (in particular address space with all the baggage it carries).

Overriding existing firmware support for standard 50g hardware (serial comm, I/R, flash drive, display, etc.) would be a challenge, I'm sure.

Never hurts to dream!
Well, the 48G keyboard means quite a footprint. If I'd be SwissMicros, I'd try to stay with the tools I've paid already before I turn to new ones.
Actually No ....
SwissMicros does NOT have to use any new tools at all. (Actually i have thought about this before)
the same frame and keyboard from DM42 can be used for 48 keyboard just the top row of white 48-keys (the soft menu keys ) will be integrated with the top row of DM42 keys and thus the soft keys on 48DM would be used in combination with another shift key. hence exactly the same way how hp42s soft keys are used to be implemented before Swiss Micros made dedicated row for them

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by Walter » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:49 am

zx_spectrum wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:29 am
Walter wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm
DavidM wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:28 pm


A "DM 51" with the following features would be very enticing:
- 48g keyboard layout
...
Well, the 48G keyboard means quite a footprint. If I'd be SwissMicros, I'd try to stay with the tools I've paid already before I turn to new ones.
Actually No ....
SwissMicros does NOT have to use any new tools at all. (Actually i have thought about this before)
the same frame and keyboard from DM42 can be used for 48 keyboard just the top row of white 48-keys (the soft menu keys ) will be integrated with the top row of DM42 keys and thus the soft keys on 48DM would be used in combination with another shift key. hence exactly the same way how hp42s soft keys are used to be implemented before Swiss Micros made dedicated row for them
Sounds like progress ... ;)
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by DavidM » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:24 pm

Walter wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:49 am
Sounds like progress ... ;)
Well, not so much to me. The soft-keys in the top row really need to always be nothing more than soft-keys on a 48/50-like system -- having to activate that as a mode would be problematic, since they also need to be shiftable on numerous planes (including shift-hold). So if those are dedicated, that implies another row would need to be dropped and shifted in. The arrow keys are also very important in general use of these systems, and they already have special meaning when shifted. So that leaves the "SIN COS TAN SQRT Y^X 1/X" row. I'd hate to lose those, too (though I usually reassign the trig keys since I rarely use their default functions -- I more frequently use LN/e^x/LOG).

For me personally, I think dropping a row of keys would affect usability too much. It's also my suspicion that people who actually like the RPL units don't have the same negative reaction to the incremental size that 1 additional row of keys would require. ;) It would still be smaller than an actual 48g/x.

Having to re-tool for a different hardware design would definitely incur substantial up-front cost, and SM would have to determine if there's enough of a market to justify it.

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by CalcFreak » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:03 am

I'm in for 2 units. 8-)

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by grsbanks » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:10 am

CalcFreak wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:03 am
I'm in for 2 units. 8-)
Whoa there! This is only a "what if?" kind of conversation. There are currently no plans that I know of for Swiss Micros to produce a DM48 or equivalent.
Not SwissMicros staff, just an enthusiast.

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by Walter » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:25 am

DavidM wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:24 pm
Walter wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:49 am
Sounds like progress ... ;)
Well, not so much to me. ...
You didn't read the emoticon, did you? :? I share your opinion that a DM48 isn't worth the cost.
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by akaTB » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:42 am

I'm in for -2 units.

#equilibrium

:lol:
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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by keithdalby » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:04 am

The firmware is open source. If someone thinks they can clone a 48 with the DM42 hardware, go ahead.

I can't. I don't have the skills necessary.

Nor the desire.

Now, a LANDSCAPE DM42.... that'd make me part with more cash in a heartbeat.

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Re: DM 48 .... WHY NOT ?!!!

Post by akaTB » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:34 am

Weird and weirder. :roll:
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