This is how the simulator looks right now:
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And here the portrait version
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With reference to last week's discussions on polls, left/right and operator sequence, my comment is simply to be extremely grateful to the developers. Also that it is done in open source. I propose not to argue with the developers on their choices, but simply motivate or ask as potential user for changes. If the answer is no and it still is important enough to spend the time, jump into the code and change it. Long arguments to have it done differently won't help speed it along.
For me it is important enough to spend my time to changing it for at least the left/right swap, and while I'm busy in the code, I added eRPN and made a few more niggling text changes. I could try do a patch for operator sequence change for operators on the left like the old HP's. I accepted that key stickers will be needed.
1. Changed "/" with obelus. (HP42S style).
2. Increased the font size of the 4 operators on the emulator.
3. Removed the top key "ˆ" labels. (DM42 style).
4. Change lg to log. (HP42S style).
5. Changed CC to CPX. (WP34S style).
6. Changed +/- to CHS. (HP28C style).
7. Changed P/R to PRGM. (HP42S style).
8. Swapped operators left/right, keeping the sequence. (HP42S style).
9. Changed to eRPN. (HP28C style).
10. Shifted the alpha letters and greek letters around due to the left right swap.
For now I decided not to change all the second row keys to match the DM42 hardware keys.
Note: MODIFIED unofficial layout LEFT. Latest official layout RIGHT. (Both Mac)
For me it is important enough to spend my time to changing it for at least the left/right swap, and while I'm busy in the code, I added eRPN and made a few more niggling text changes. I could try do a patch for operator sequence change for operators on the left like the old HP's. I accepted that key stickers will be needed.
I fiddled further and the total changes I made up to now are listed and visible on the side by side emulator pics below:
1. Changed "/" with obelus. (HP42S style).
2. Increased the font size of the 4 operators on the emulator.
3. Removed the top key "ˆ" labels. (DM42 style).
4. Change lg to log. (HP42S style).
5. Changed CC to CPX. (WP34S style).
6. Changed +/- to CHS. (HP28C style).
7. Changed P/R to PRGM. (HP42S style).
8. Swapped operators left/right, keeping the sequence. (HP42S style).
9. Changed to eRPN. (HP28C style).
10. Shifted the alpha letters and greek letters around due to the left right swap.
For now I decided not to change all the second row keys to match the DM42 hardware keys.
Note: MODIFIED unofficial layout LEFT. Latest official layout RIGHT. (Both Mac)
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Thanks for your kind words. Some comments:Jaymos wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:05 amI fiddled further and the total changes I made up to now are listed and visible on the side by side emulator pics below:
1. Changed "/" with obelus. (HP42S style).
2. Increased the font size of the 4 operators on the emulator.
3. Removed the top key "ˆ" labels. (DM42 style).
4. Change lg to log. (HP42S style).
5. Changed CC to CPX. (WP34S style).
6. Changed +/- to CHS. (HP28C style).
7. Changed P/R to PRGM. (HP42S style).
8. Swapped operators left/right, keeping the sequence. (HP42S style).
9. Changed to eRPN. (HP28C style).
10. Shifted the alpha letters and greek letters around due to the left right swap.
For now I decided not to change all the second row keys to match the DM42 hardware keys.
1. / (or maybe even : ). Cf. ISO 80000-2: "The symbol ÷ should not be used."
2. Cosmetics.
3. We could call "^" HP27S style FWIW.
4. True, but pursuing an error: LOG is the general logarithm, lg is the decadic. Cf. ISO 80000-2: "log x shall not be used in place of ln x, lg x ..."
5. Did you notice there's another CPX present already?
6. +/- (Pioneer style).
7. P/R (Voyager style).
8. See many earlier posts.
9. We stick to HP's traditional RPN.
10. You should shift some shifted labels as well.
Layouting is more fun than you might expect.
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Personally, I'm also just glad there is such a machine coming. Did HP ask before introducing machines with different layouts? No! We were all still ready to buy the best-made machines in the world.Jaymos wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:05 amWith reference to last week's discussions on polls, left/right and operator sequence, my comment is simply to be extremely grateful to the developers. Also that it is done in open source. I propose not to argue with the developers on their choices, but simply motivate or ask as potential user for changes. If the answer is no and it still is important enough to spend the time, jump into the code and change it. Long arguments to have it done differently won't help speed it along.
P.S. Who the hell actually uses the word "obelus" when they talk about a division symbol?
No native English speakers I've ever heard! That's why it's found in the list of "Rare and Uncommon Words"
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A division symbol may be "/" and ":" (cf. ISO 80000-2) - thus one needs the term "obelus" for that abomination (pun intended).toml_12953 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 pmP.S. Who the hell actually uses the word "obelus" when they talk about a division symbol?
No native English speakers I've ever heard! That's why it's found in the list of "Rare and Uncommon Words"
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https://www.asterix.com/en/portfolio/obelus/toml_12953 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 pm... That's why it's found in the list of "Rare and Uncommon Words"
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Thanks! I love Asterix. We had to read all the comics throughout my years of French classes.H2X wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:53 pmhttps://www.asterix.com/en/portfolio/obelus/toml_12953 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 pm... That's why it's found in the list of "Rare and Uncommon Words"
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For those interested: https://people.engr.ncsu.edu/jwilson/fi ... hsigns.pdf page 17 and 24
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Thanks for sharing this link, Haakon. In a way he even looks like oneH2X wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:53 pmhttps://www.asterix.com/en/portfolio/obelus/toml_12953 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 pm... That's why it's found in the list of "Rare and Uncommon Words"
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