DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by toml_12953 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:55 pm

Geoff Quickfall wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:46 pm
1) Can is an ability to do something.

2) May is permission to do it.


They are not interchangeable as they have different meanings.

“Geoff can have a scotch.” (This sentence indicates that I have an ability to drink scotch: mouth, throat and etc.)

“ Geoff may not have a scotch.” (This sentence indicates that I do not have permission to have the can of scotch.)


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I learnt the following with respect to commas: x, y and z. English mother, Canadian father and Canadian school system.


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Can’t wait to have my book critiqued :D
Sure, in English classes and text books they're different. In common usage in the USA, they're interchangeable. If you're not drinking a single malt, then you don't deserve scotch anyway. Who drinks scotch out of a can? Even the most redneck American drinks his Glenlivet or Ardbeg out of a glass, neat.
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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by Thomas Okken » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:04 pm

keithdalby wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:51 pm
Geoff Quickfall wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:46 pm
1) Can is an ability to do something.

2) May is permission to do it.
I'm a teacher. When a student asks me if they can go to the toilet, my standard response is, 'I don't know, can you?'

When they return from their exolutions, I tend to ask if they were successful and, when they affirm that they were, exclaim something like, 'glad we solved that little puzzle.'

I also ask if they've washed their hands.
I dunno, I have my doubts as to how useful it is to insist, as a teacher, that a word does not have a certain meaning, while in actual common usage, it does have that meaning.

You may not like that people use "can" in the sense of "have permission," but they do it anyway, which means what you're telling your students there is factually incorrect.

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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by Walter » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:06 pm

keithdalby wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:51 pm
I'm a teacher. When a student asks me if they can go to the toilet, my standard response is, 'I don't know, can you?'
(emphasis added by me)

Any further proof required? :roll:
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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by keithdalby » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:33 pm

Thomas Okken wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:04 pm
You may not like that people use "can" in the sense of "have permission," but they do it anyway, which means what you're telling your students there is factually incorrect.
I'm not really bothered*, but pedantry amuses me. My students are 14-18 years old, so colloquialisms are fairly deeply ingrained at this stage. They enjoy pedantry too, particularly correcting my mistakes. I believe that's to be encouraged.

Edited to add: *not bothered about can vs may.

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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by keithdalby » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:35 pm

Walter wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:06 pm
Any further proof required? :roll:
Neither needed nor wanted. It's all in fun :)

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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by toml_12953 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:39 pm

keithdalby wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:35 pm
Walter wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:06 pm
Any further proof required? :roll:
Neither needed nor wanted. It's all in fun :)
Yes, it was very entertaining. I'm surprised that no one used the phrase, Grammar N--i *Oops!* I mentioned it myself! :)
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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by rprosperi » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:50 am

All this discussion of bathroom habits, grammar, politics and national characterizations is no doubt compelling (to someone, somewhere) but I feel the need to point out Geoff has commented in a signature line "Can’t wait to have my book critiqued". So I guess it must be imminent... :o :shock: :?:

I can comfortably speak for at least several of us here, saying we are eager to help you in this respect, but we'll need one thing to do so... :)
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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by Walter » Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:59 am

rprosperi wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:50 am
... Geoff has commented in a signature line "Can’t wait to have my book critiqued". So I guess it must be imminent... :o :shock: :?:

I can comfortably speak for at least several of us here, saying we are eager to help you in this respect, but we'll need one thing to do so... :)
Good point! Geoff, how are you doing? :?:
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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by Geoff Quickfall » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:56 am

I used ‘can’ as, and excuse me, a pun :D with reference to the scotch in a can :!: yes, single malt, a dram of water, room temperature and no ice, all held in an Irish crystal scotch glass. The only way :!:

So far I have seen can used in three different manners.

1). May / can

2). Can / toilet. Can I go to the can.

3). Can / container. As in scotch in a can which was an attempt at humour / humor, albeit, poorly used.

All in fun of course.

Book, yes it is getting closer to completion but you guys are a tough crowd!!! :shock:

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Re: DM42 Firmware V3.1 available

Post by Walter » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:40 am

Geoff Quickfall wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:56 am
Book, yes it is getting closer to completion but you guys are a tough crowd!!! :shock:
Thanks. But ... is it "getting closer to completion" like 1/x approaching zero? :shock:
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